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Topic Started: 31 May 2015, 02:02 AM (3,485 Views)
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24 Dec 2015, 10:39 AM
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23 Dec 2015, 10:13 AM
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22 Dec 2015, 11:22 AM
Depends on what you mean by 'next biggest thing'. Take Fallout 4 for example. I know you don't play, or have any intention of playing it in the near future, but you must have seen the hype over it. In comparison Vainglory is tiny. MOBAs get very little hype these days compared to other genres, and mobile gaming is often considered the lowest of the low - I'm not going to go into whether I think that's just or not. Even if Vainglory gets hype, I don't agree with 'next biggest thing'.
Pfft...I highly disagree with your statement about how MOBAs get very little hype nowadays. As far as I know, the genre is still going strong.

When you think about it though, the balance is slowly shitfing towards mobile, simply because of it's convenience. There's a reason I don't play computer games.

Think Angry Birds kind of big.

But you may be right. In any event, I just want to be able to quote that if it does happen. :puppyeyes:
You're answering a completely different question. Yes, the genre is still going strong, but most people regard MOBAs as effectively being the same game in slightly different forms. So the hype is nonexistent these days. And of course, I am talking comparatively. Sure, a new 'big' MOBA will get coverage, but compared to some games - take Fallout 4 for example - then the coverage is tiny. Sure it'll have players, but it won't be regarded as one of the biggest games of the year.

Yes and no. Sure, mobile is becoming a more viable platform as phones get more and more powerful, and I have no doubt that when VR starts to become mass market, it'll grow even larger (Google Cardboard for instance uses an Android phone to provide VR/AR). But PCs (and other consoles to a lesser extent) are also becoming more powerful over time. And it'll be a while before cultural change starts to kick in that mobile gaming is a good platform to work with - big name games will remain console and PC focused for the moment.

And I repeat myself slightly here: Angry Birds, although big, has never been Big Name Game big - at least in my eyes. But still, being that big is a great thing, but I find it highly unlikely that it will be that big, because playing a single Angry Birds level can be a one or two minute 'may as well' moment, whereas playing a single VG game can be a half hour commitment. I find it unlikely that it'll be as big as Angry Birds because of that.
Did you see the LoL/DOTA world championships this year? I'm pretty sure the coverage can't be counted as "tiny".

Nintendo. Konami. Square Enix. These are huge companies who have started to shift their attention to mobile gaming this year. The 2015 Super Bowl featuring mobile games ads, starring huge celebrities. Time's game of the year being a mobile game again.

What do you consider as Big Name Game big then?
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Anyway, I doubt Vainglory is going to be a big thing. First, it's for devices like phone. Second, it cannot beat LoL, Dota 2 or Smite. Most MOBA game try to beat them but fail and get shut down or have low player base.

The only reason Vainglory is well known because it's the only good MOBA out there for devices like phone. If it released for PC then it going to have the same fate like the other MOBA. By the way, look at these stats (From Steam stats thingy).

Current Players - Today Peak - Game

798,854 - 875,001 - Dota 2
490,117 - 490,117 - Counter-Strike: Global Offensive
81,443 - 84,265 - Fallout 4
68,242 - 71,521 - Grand Theft Auto V
60,269 - 68,177 - Team Fortress 2
48,064 - 49,622 - Football Manager 2016
46,062 - 51,379 - Sid Meier's Civilization V
37,233 - 37,280 - Warframe
36,989 - 39,072 - The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
36,834 - 45,758 - Garry's Mod
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25 Dec 2015, 04:10 PM
PC MASTER RACE!!!

Anyway, I doubt Vainglory is going to be a big thing. First, it's for devices like phone. Second, it cannot beat LoL, Dota 2 or Smite. Most MOBA game try to beat them but fail and get shut down or have low player base.

The only reason Vainglory is well known because it's the only good MOBA out there for devices like phone. If it released for PC then it going to have the same fate like the other MOBA. By the way, look at these stats (From Steam stats thingy).

Current Players - Today Peak - Game

798,854 - 875,001 - Dota 2
490,117 - 490,117 - Counter-Strike: Global Offensive
81,443 - 84,265 - Fallout 4
68,242 - 71,521 - Grand Theft Auto V
60,269 - 68,177 - Team Fortress 2
48,064 - 49,622 - Football Manager 2016
46,062 - 51,379 - Sid Meier's Civilization V
37,233 - 37,280 - Warframe
36,989 - 39,072 - The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
36,834 - 45,758 - Garry's Mod
That's just it. It isn't released for PC. It's realised for mobile, and owes it success to that. Also, it should be noted that Vainglory is a relatively new game, barely over a year's old.
Edited by Tazdevil1, 28 Dec 2015, 04:43 AM.
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So the new ranked draft mode has been released for those Simply Amazing (I think) and above. What are peoples' thoughts on this?

Personally I quite like it. I tried it once, and it seems as if people don't quite understand all of its nifty swapping, banning etc. features which kind of lets it down, but once people start documenting it more, it'll work better. I got two dodges just for one game, which is quite a few, but that is to be expected on so new a thing I guess. Overall though, I think it opens up a lot of opportunity to use more heroes. Shame I don't play ranked much :P
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18 Feb 2016, 07:59 PM
So the new ranked draft mode has been released for those Simply Amazing (I think) and above. What are peoples' thoughts on this?

Personally I quite like it. I tried it once, and it seems as if people don't quite understand all of its nifty swapping, banning etc. features which kind of lets it down, but once people start documenting it more, it'll work better. I got two dodges just for one game, which is quite a few, but that is to be expected on so new a thing I guess. Overall though, I think it opens up a lot of opportunity to use more heroes. Shame I don't play ranked much :P
People are afraid of what they don't understand. :puppyeyes:

I've tried once too. It won't work well if you soloq (like me). Parties will benefits the most. People will start to understand it more given time (points to ironguard contract). But the fact remains that there will be people who don't know/don't care you can switch heroes, will simply ban any hero they feel like banning without consideration for team mates thumbs up/thumbs down, etc. Hence why I said this will work best for parties.

In other unrelated news...can I just say wow. :puppyeyes:

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Oh yes, parties have a massive advantage. I'm not personally sure I would ban though: There are now four viable supports (particularly semi-carry CP Fortress and Catherine), rather than the boss Ardan as a single support in 1.14 :r Carry wise, nobody is really that OP at the moment, it's got to be one of the most balanced updates yet. Possibly Ringo is very strong at the moment (I went 11/0 up on my first go with him ever :P ).

Oh and the skins are amazing! Celeste's is beautiful (but you have an early picture of the skin - she has six fingers :r ) and Ardan's is incredible too xD (although, does the circular gauntlet have a tactical advantage?) and Taka's skin is also pro (not convinced that it should be a limited edition though, it looks like an evolution of T2...)
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Oh yes, parties have a massive advantage. I'm not personally sure I would ban though: There are now four viable supports (particularly semi-carry CP Fortress and Catherine), rather than the boss Ardan as a single support in 1.14 :r Carry wise, nobody is really that OP at the moment, it's got to be one of the most balanced updates yet. Possibly Ringo is very strong at the moment (I went 11/0 up on my first go with him ever :P ).

Oh and the skins are amazing! Celeste's is beautiful (but you have an early picture of the skin - she has six fingers :r ) and Ardan's is incredible too xD (although, does the circular gauntlet have a tactical advantage?) and Taka's skin is also pro (not convinced that it should be a limited edition though, it looks like an evolution of T2...)
Parties have a massive advantage in every sense. That's why soloqueers are the real pros. :cool:

Ah...but I think it always depends on the situation. To know who to ban, who to pick, to be able to adapt, to change your strategy, that is what separates the great players from the good ones.

I know. I stalk the forums too. :P Just not as often as you do.
No idea about Ardan.
Taka's skin is good, but not good enough for me to spend real money on it, or to farm endlessly for the cards.
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Not always. Parties also have a higher elo, and so get matched with tougher opponents ;) And you know me, did you really expect me to party much? :P Sure, I'll take one if there's someone free, but not otherwise, which is most of the time xD

True, but picking a decent first hero is mightily important; being able to select that hero first, and then potentially swapping, might create a far better composition than the opponents', hence the rush to ban/grab the good heroes. Hence the balance at the moment.

You do? :r
Calculate it :r
I think it depends on how it looks in game, not the splash art. I know I won't have time to farm the cards, and won't spend money on it, so it's not for me, was just talking about it :r
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Not always. Parties also have a higher elo, and so get matched with tougher opponents ;) And you know me, did you really expect me to party much? :P Sure, I'll take one if there's someone free, but not otherwise, which is most of the time xD

True, but picking a decent first hero is mightily important; being able to select that hero first, and then potentially swapping, might create a far better composition than the opponents', hence the rush to ban/grab the good heroes. Hence the balance at the moment.

You do? :r
Calculate it :r
I think it depends on how it looks in game, not the splash art. I know I won't have time to farm the cards, and won't spend money on it, so it's not for me, was just talking about it :r
That's nothing compared to their advantages. And I didn't expect you to party much at all, so I'm not sure why you brought this up. :P

Don't get me wrong...draft could work. But maybe only in a perfect world. Let's face it, players are humans, and humans are unpredictable.

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Well...it should look good, judging by how SEMC have kept promoting him.
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